#73 How Using Your Breath can Heal Your Body and Mind

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This week we have an amazing guest Tanya Saunders, who I met at a conference this past September.  

She will be sharing her experience and telling you about a simple, but amazing practice you can use in for healing called, Pause Breathwork. 

One of the things I see women struggle with all the time after breast cancer is unhappiness with their physical appearance. They're angry with the fact they got cancer and questioning what happened to give them cancer. They struggle with angersadness, and trauma.  

If they’re brave enough to talk about these feelings, they often dismiss them by sayingI should just be grateful I’m alive.” Tanya will talk about why it’s okay to sit in that space of feeling angryvictimized or resentful.  

We often tend to let emotions such as stress, guilt, and the fear of unworthiness pile up.  

Are you familiar with that experience? 

The body needs to release the unhealed wounds from fear, anger and resentment that we let build up inside from traumatic life events in order to heal from them. 

Tanya uses Pause Breathwork which is a method where certified facilitators use various continual breath patterns, to break down emotions in the body that stay stuck and create stress in our energetic body. Breathwork practice allows us to reconnect with our bodies, to feel deeply & to understand and experience our own unique internal energy. 

With breathwork, the healing process can begin to help you reconnect with those feelings, and embrace them allowing you to heal. Understanding that there's nothing wrong with how you feel, is really when you can start healing. 

In this episode you’ll hear about: 

-How trauma becomes an “embodied violation hangover” 

-The different types of Pause breathwork  

-How your nervous system responds to traumatic events and how to heal your nervous system  

 

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This is Laura Lummer, the breast cancer recovery coach. I'm a healthy lifestyle coach, a clinical Ayurveda specialist, a personal trainer, and I'm also a breast cancer survivor. In this podcast, we talk about healthy thinking and mindfulness practices, eating well, moving your body for health and longevity. And we'll also hear from other breast cancer survivors who have re engaged with life and have incredible stories to share. This podcast is your go to resource for getting back to life after breast cancer.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the breast cancer recovery coach. I am your host Laura Lummer. And I have a fantastic show here for you today. We have a wonderful guest and she is going to tell you about a simple but amazing practice that you can use in your life for healing.

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Not just physically but emotionally. And I'm going to let her tell you all about it. But I just want to give you a little bit of background first. So last September, September 2019, I was attending a conference. And part of this conference was they had worked out a way for people to network and connect. So you took several breaks and the rule of thumb was when you come back from the break, sit in another seat so that you can meet a new person. And fortunately, I sat in a seat next to Tonya at one point during this conference. And as soon as we began talking, we just really hit it off. Tanya is this wonderful, gentle, intelligent, just passionate soul. She's a multi dimensional person. She's a wife, a mom to three kids and two dogs. She's been a nurse anestis for 20 years. And network marketer. She's a podcaster and she is a certified pause, breath work facility.

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Tater in the DC area. So something about Tanya is she really understands what it's like to be everybody to everyone and everything. She knows the joy and doing all the things that light you up. But she also knows that flip side, which she wants referred to as the darker side, which is the stress and the guilt and the fear and the unworthiness of things piling up when you try to take on being and doing all the things. So breath work found Tanya because she was looking for a tool to manage the anxiety. And before she began to study breath work, she's to identify herself with her anxiety. And through this practice, it taught her not only how to change her relationship with her emotions, but it also taught her to heal from the trauma that we humans hold on to in our bodies. Tanya suffered a near death infection in 2009. And it was breath work. That was the medicine her

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Body needed to release the unhealed wounds, like the fear and the anger and the resentment of what she had been through. Are you familiar with that feeling?

 

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So Tanya now facilitates pause, breath work, and this is a method of breath work that was founded by Samantha Skelly. Pause breath work is a method where certified facilitators use various continual breath patterns, to break down emotions in the body that stay stuck and create stress in our energetic body. Breath work is this practice of allowing us to reconnect with our bodies to feel deeply to understand and experience our own unique internal intelligence. Tanya uses her ambition and her passion, her experience and her intuition so that she crafts every breath work experience, whether it's in person, or virtually specifically for that person. And I can attest to the fact I had a virtual session.

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With her, and it was amazing. When you think about breath work, I kind of expected to just, you know, sit in kind of a meditative posture and pay attention to the breath, something like you do in a mindful breathing practice or a mindful meditation that I did. One of the sessions that she'll talk about here in the podcast, it's a more meditative session, it lasts a little bit longer. And it was very focused and very active and very intense. So much more different than what I had anticipated. But also amazing. It was an amazing experience. And I went through this through this experience with her and afterwards, I just felt amazing. I felt this lightness in this floatiness that just went on for the rest of the day. And it was so fantastic that I had to have her come on the show and talk with you about

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Breath work. And so I am not going to make you wait any longer. I want to introduce to you, Tanya Saunders. So Tanya, welcome to the breast cancer recovery coach podcast. I'm so happy that you joined us today. Thank you, Laura. And I am so honored to be here. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah, it's my pleasure to have you here. So let's just jump right into this. You know, when you and I first met, I was so interested in what you were doing with breath work because I know the power behind it. And I was fortunate enough to go through the actual session, which with you, which was amazing. So I want to hear from you how you got interested in breath work and what it means to you. Sure, yes. So I'm probably like a lot of your listeners like a modern day woman who is just doing it all. And I wanted breath work as a tool to help

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Manage daily stress and anxiety. And why that is why I went to breath work for for another modality to manage emotions because I was in this world of self development for a couple years consuming all the podcast and in a cell phone coaching scholars with the Life Coach School and there was so much in the mentalization part that wasn't working for me that I wanted another tool. So when I decided intuitively, it felt right but logically, it didn't seem like a smart thing to do to add more

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more work to my plate with getting a certification in breath work. So when I went I what I found was that breath work did help me manage my anxiety. That is an integrated part of breath work for me.

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relaxation and for clarity, but what I really found so life changing was when I did a meditative breath work, and it I never understood how we store trauma in our body. I didn't know what that meant, like trauma is a trigger word for some people. And what I learned was that

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one of my teachers, Rachel Maddox, who is a trauma resolution educator, is that trauma is she calls it a embodied violation hangover. And that anytime, it what it is, is that anything that we experience but cannot cope, and

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so something happens to us and then it triggers something in our nervous system. So that's the embodiment of

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And the violation is anything it doesn't have to be it's at all levels. And the hangover is it doesn't complete itself. So it just sticks around and it stays indoors in our body. And so when I did the meditative part of the breath work, I didn't realize that I was storing unhealed wounds, unhealed trauma from when I experienced a near death infection it narcotizing fasciitis in 2009. And just that alone, but in addition to just all our inherited wounds or childhood wounds, I didn't understand the actual complexity of how our nervous system keeps score, and how you actually have to heal to be able to transform because pain that is not healed, he'll will always be transmitted. So after going after

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you're experiencing breath work and with a meditative breath work is what we do continual breath patterns that take you past your mind, which is why meditation doesn't work for me is because my mind is always hijacking my experience. And the breath pattern through how we do a meditative breath work takes you past your mind and into your body into altered states of consciousness that helps you to access these stored emotions that we have. And all emotions are just energies in motion, and when they stay stored in our body, they block our flow, they block our

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understanding of our own body's wisdom, because there's so much beauty just to know that your body can be the healer for for anything, for any so true. Oh my god. Okay. I have like a million questions because I love every

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So I'll just let me just back up a pause, breath work. So pause breath work was founded. So breath work has been used for centuries. It's widely practiced in eastern practices like yoga, and Tai Chi and and people tap into breath work for spirituality for a real wakening.

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The breath work in the western practices has been around, it's just not widely practiced. And so Samantha Skelly my teacher and the founder of pause breath work has founded in 2014 and has been an that has been the most transformational as far as healing she was dealing with a lot of body image disorders emotional eating and breath work she found was the the most sustainable tool for her to heal and heal meaning

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Once we understand how the wisdom in our bodies and get out of our heads, that is, it becomes a true true transformation. Because before breath work, I used to identify myself with all my emotions. I am a jealous person, I am a mad person, I'm angry, or I'm just bad. And with all those emotions, what I used to do, and what a lot of people do is that we judge ourselves on these on these emotions of how we feel. And there's so much pain in that. So we don't want to feel I mean, it's the hardest thing to do is to say that we want to feel pain, right? Like it's so hot, so true. Yeah. So what we do and what we do is that we avoid and we resist and we numb. And once we can understand that all these emotions are actually just our greatest spiritual teacher there. And it's just our body's way of talking to us is that we meet all these emotions.

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Even like all these motions that we would consider bad, if we meet it with compassion and meet it, like not with judgment, that is actually how you transform that is how you heal. So this ugly scar that I used to hate that's on my arm that will always remind me of that week that I almost died and couldn't made me stop breastfeeding early, you know, and had to quit work all these emotions around it that I was so so resentful before. I used to feel so bad about feeling that and then when I did the breath work, it was like, you know, you're not really supposed to make these stories about what you feel because your body just releases what it wants to release. But for me, it reminded me of when that day, every day for a week I would wake up just trenched like just my body releasing all these toxins from that necrotizing fasciitis, the flesh eating bacteria, and it was

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Just like years and years of stored resentment that I've had, and I just came away from it so much lighter, and so much clearer, and so much more self love for myself for being okay with not understanding, you know, and in hating, like those emotions for a while, and now I'm just, like, so compassionate with myself, but it's okay. You know, it's almost like you're repair to yourself, like through it. It was okay to feel pissed. Yeah, hate, hate, hate your scar. It's okay. You know, to be like that. I love that. And I think it's so important because one of the things that I see women struggle with all the time after breast cancer is they're unhappy with their appearance physically. They're angry with the fact they got cancer. They're questioning whatever happened in life that may have given them cancer. There's there's anger

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There's sadness, there's trauma. And as soon as those words get spoken, they're very quickly dismissed with, I should just be great focus on life. And I love what you said because it's okay to sit in that space of feeling angry or feeling victimized or feeling resentful of something. Because it is through really sitting with it and embracing it. That it's like it's okay. I mean, this is how I feel right? It's how I feel. And there's nothing wrong with how you feel. So I love that that that you're saying that's a part of healing. Something else like several things you brought up? Oh my gosh, I was taking notes like crazy over here is

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I love you were saying how you have to heal and how your nervous system actually stores right actually stores this trauma. So I want you to talk a little bit about this because I think something very important. That is just starting to get acknowledged breast cancer is traumatic. These are

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Going through a trauma, right? Like with you having flesh eating bacteria, this is your, your, your fine. And the next minute whether someone says you have flesh eating bacteria, you have breast cancer, it's like, oh my gosh, I could die right now, like this could kill me. And that in itself is traumatizing. So I think we tend to kind of isolate our emotions as we're going through the experience of trying to survive whatever that disease or threat might be. So that it's after the survival, where all of a sudden, we're dismissed from treatment. And I see these women just suddenly in this state of, you know, post traumatic shock, right? They're suddenly like, Wow, now everything that just happened to me, which how you just put it perfectly is now stored in them. This actually happened, kids tonight happened. And now what do I do with this? Like, what do I do with it? So let's talk a little about this beautiful idea. Like how is it stored

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How does your nervous system respond to that? And that's just a fascinating concept. It is a fascinating concept. And so yeah, like our it's been shown scientifically now that

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babies in utero store stress from their moms in utero because they're sharing a nervous system. So it's all scientific and how we do and we store so, so much just within our own childhoods, like within, you know, I think what they say until the age of seven, we store old patterns and beliefs and we just store it in our nervous system. And we are able to release that right until we can actually most repattern because the nervous system is a evidence based system. And how how we're able to do is to be able to reconnect within our bodies and understand how our bodies are

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Feel. And because we're so disconnected from our emotions, we, we don't know. Like we don't understand like how our bodies feel, how our nervous feels. And just for example, I'm just trying to give a good example of your nervous system is like how you're breathing right now. It's how you feel in your nervous system.

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That's the information that your nervous system is giving. Your body is giving. Its transmitted, it's transmitted from your nervous system. So like, let's just say your nervous system right now. Flight flight, right? is

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it's anxiety, and you breathe very shallow and quick, right? Because, like, if you're always acting from a sympathetic nervous system, fight, flight, freeze. You are fight trying to you know,

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Fire away from something a perceived danger.

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You're running away at your nervous system like trying to get away from that, or you're freezing, you're totally disassociating that's what your nervous system is responding that's how it's doing.

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Well we learn to flow again, and that is through

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calming your nervous system down and re patterning it, but you have to do it through a way of understanding and acceptance and,

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and really out of fear because that fear is not going to disappear.

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You have to be open to it. In this sense that you have to

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change your relationship with these emotions. Change your relationship to the fear again, use this as your your your nervous system.

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Okay, talk to you. And how do you do that with breath? How do you like let's Yeah, so let's say for instance, a common fear after surviving cancer is a fear of recurrence. And many women get stuck in their lives because of course, there they just had a terrible experience. And now they're very concerned, I'm going to get a recurrence. And so if you have a strange ache or pain or get sick too often or feel too tired out of the norm, a lot of times their mind goes directly to Oh my god, do I have cancer again, because this is what I experienced before my diagnosis. And so something triggers it and that fear comes up and then the mind starts running with what you're afraid of. And before you know it, you've already diagnosed yourself and you're going through chemo again and you know, all in your head because you have some strange ache inside of your body. Yeah, how do you use breath to get into where that fear is stored? And how lighten yourself hundred percent. So all those

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All that you just said all the information about the feel one thing and all of a sudden their mind just spirals off into like, oh I re-occurrence again, oh my god, what do I have to go through again? That is your mind talking. Those are those old patterns of belief, right? That fear You're always so

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you're thinking ahead again in the future. So it's always it's always your mind. So that should be your trigger that you're actually not in your body. And so you use your breath to that's your fight flight, right your mind turning on your light. So then you would use your breath to regulate the nervous system. So again, when I was trying to jump I forgot to go back to what I was saying is notice your breath pattern is that you can actually every emotion has a corresponding breath pattern. So once you start to notice how you're breathing

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calmly when you read differently when you are experiencing joy or

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When you're experiencing calm, you can use that to tap into that part of your nervous system that will take you down from that fight flight. The fight flight is always going to be reactionary. It's always going to be reactionary.

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You, you essentially are going to just down regulate your nervous system by using Okay, conscious breath pattern. And we teach different kind of breath patterns. But it's always conscious breath patterns. Because when you're in your head, you're in your head.

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There's it's, it's hard to get out of there could Yes, you know, there's like, what do they say? 60,000 thoughts a day? Oh my gosh, yeah. Like 90% of them are always the reoccurring thoughts and 80 90% of those recurring thoughts are all negative. And so is it is using a tool like your breath to get past your mind and get into your body.

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into comment nervous system down. And that's how loving it. So I was fortunate enough to get to have a virtual session with you. And so I can really identify with some of the things that you're saying. Because as I started to do the breath that you were instructing me to do, it was a lot of work. You know, I had to consciously focus on how I was breathing because you gave me a specific pattern to follow. And that pattern took some energy, right? It took some focus, it took some energy to keep doing it because it was not just sitting here breathing. And I, at first thought, holy cow, like this is a lot of work. How long am I going to be able to say this, but then something happened and you said a few minutes ago, you disassociate right you have to kind of you focusing on something else, which is the pattern you were instructing me the music you were playing the questions you were asking me to think about, and it's kind of like I did go somewhere else as I told you earlier.

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After that whole session was done, I felt so floaty and so light. And I mean, it was amazing. It was just such a wild experience and such an intense experience. Yeah. And so as you and I were talking about earlier, so many people when you bring up to them, hey, I want let's let's work on your breath. They don't realize how valuable that is or what a deep and meaningful practice breathing is. I think one they don't they don't understand how how intense and impactful it can be. Anything to people feel weird, right about breathing. So even in yoga when you instruct someone to do dry breath, which is that little rattle in the back of the throat right for listeners who've never done yoga, and as you tell people know, and instruct them on how to do it, which I bred for those who are used to the breathing and understand it, they'll go right into it and those next to them will hear

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I'm breathing right now. And you often can tell people who have never experienced it every time breathwork feel uncomfortable. They feel like Oh, that's so weird. Like, you're gonna hear me breathing or I'm making this this Darth Vader sound. They don't they won't do it right. They just won't do it. So how do you handle that? And do you find that that, that that discomfort like where does that discomfort come from in connecting to the breath? Do you think there's a lot, there's a lot of resistance with that. I just wanted to be clear about what we did, though. So we've we've talked about two things. So when you were talking about how your patients who care are so fearful of reoccurrence in their head, spin spin spin, we would teach integrated breath patterns, that is something that we would say like take a breather, and to instantly do an emotional shift, that that would be a breath pattern for that and that would be a breath pattern with the intention of relaxation and

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mental clarity, the breath work we did with you is a meditative, which does work and is conscious continual patterns that will take you into that conscious, altered conscious state altered state of consciousness and guess it is work right and when, but the benefit of it

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it's the downstream effect will be the relaxation, the transformation, and every experience is going to be different because your body like I said it's going to do what it wants to do. And so you may resist it the second time you don't know. But what it is is why I find breathwork to be beautiful is that the way we craft it with music, which I think really evokes emotionality and draws people into it and the way we do it in a way, it becomes very inviting and calming at first because like you said it, it is kind of

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not a usual practice.

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And people do feel uncomfortable and it is work because it is called breath work. Yeah, right. People people think they're just going to be doing like a silent meditation and and it's not that at all. But it's by using this breath pattern that takes you past that mind that likes to hijack your experience. And the mind will be overactive for the first like five to seven minutes. And that's why it's so important to have a guide, kind of have you take that breath pattern and take you past that mind and into your body. And that once you get to go into your body, you begin to understand

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you know, we, as humans, we we have intuitive information, right? We receive information from our logical mind intellectually, we receive it from our emotional bodies, and then we also have a intuitive wisdom, intuitive bodies, we were limited as to be being able to actually access that because of my

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Our logical mind trying to hijack our experience and our emotional bodies just not wanting to feel. And so why this breath work is so beautiful is that we bypass that, that mind of ours that likes to keep it safe. We want to think our mind. I mean, it is a beautiful thing that has kept us safe. But it's very primitive mind, you know, we're not like the cavemen anymore, right? We don't have all that have to worry about. And then it takes us into our bodies is brought to access all these emotions. And and once we start to clear these emotions that also block block our intuition. Then we get to the, our intuitive wisdom, our body's wisdom. Our body knows how to heal our bodies have all the answers, but it just takes a while because we've never learned how, how to feel and how to emote. You know, and as my teacher likes to say, it's like we're really emotionally constipated. And

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all the time.

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Emotionally constipated. Yeah, no, you

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Have no idea what your body's telling you what feels good or what feels bad. You're just always constantly confused. And trying to over please and please your mind and oh, it's not right. You know, our brains are so active, overactive and so logical. Yeah, I love that. And so a big part of my course, my revivify program. It's all based in mindfulness. And especially in the renew part, which is where you're trying again to reconnect to your physical body, which, when you go through trauma, like you talked about with your experience with it, cancer, whatever it might be, we just associate and then if there's something we don't like about our body, I don't like the scars now or whatever, if you gained weight through it, or whatever it might be. Again, we have a tendency to not connect. We don't even realize we're actually disconnecting with our own physical self. As when I do personal training with people. I'm never surprised anymore but at first when I

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When I would give them a cue, and I would say, you know, tip your pelvis forward, it would be fascinating to see how many people didn't even understand to be able to direct emotion in a part of their body, right? If it was arch your back or bring your shoulder blades down, and they move in these strange positions that I'd watch at first, when I first started doing, I thought, this person really isn't even connected to her body. She's so uncomfortable, and especially with women that we find extremely uncomfortable with their abdomen and their pelvis. And when you gave any direction or cues, how did you with that area, they would have a really hard time they struggle and you'd have to, you know, really work with them closely to get them to position themselves properly. And I think it is just my unscientific observation that we don't like not having flat tummy or you know, we have whatever ideas about sexuality and if we move this part of my body, it must mean something about sex and it's bad or it's whatever, whatever whatever. We at all

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These things in our head that we don't even realize causes us to disconnect from our body. And so I love what you were just talking about. Because I teach intuitive eating, I teach mindfulness. And that means you have to listen to your body. Right? You have to come to this place where you can listen to your body, where you can, as I've said on this show before, where I can look at the way my breasts are reconstructed, and I can say, I don't I don't love it. You know, I don't love the way it looks. It fills out my clothes nicely, which, you know, makes me feel a little more confident. It is okay that I don't love it. It's it is what it is. I don't let it I don't let it define me. Right. I understand why. Yeah, exactly. I don't identify myself or feel less about myself because of this. I can look at it and I can sit with the fact that it is not that great looking. And you just stay there for a minute and then you're like, that's okay. Rather than it's not that great.

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And I can't stand it. I don't want to look at myself, I don't want to notice what I'm feeling. And then we just kind of put up a barrier with our own physical self, right?

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And so fascinating. And I wonder. So it's always been a fascinating thing for me. And I feel like what you're talking about speaks to this. If you have a physical pain of some sort, I cannot even imagine how painful having a flesh eating bacteria is now, but if you were to think back on that experience, now, it would be hard to relive this physical pain. Yet the emotional pain would come back, just as intensely if you hadn't worked through it and healed from it. Right? You can think of an emotionally painful situation and literally bring yourself to tears that fast. Yeah, right. And I, as you were saying, how we store that emotion in our body. It reminds me of how oftentimes when people begin moving their body as a yoga practice, as an a breath, work session.

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When you move that body, they'll find themselves in tears sometimes, right? Yes. They don't realize that something is stored here. And then as they activate their body, whoa, something gets opened and these emotions come out. So that's just fascinating. Do you do you experience that a lot? Or is that how you talked about using breath work to begin trusting your body? Is that part of that process? Well, you know, before breath work, I never wanted to feel it because I felt so much shame around it. It was always on the shame and judgment. And so after it and there's, there's so much work, just you know,

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beyond the trauma, because there's so many stories that have been living within our systems and now it just just been intensified with with more trauma like cancer and my necrotizing fasciitis, but we work through breath work, what I have found is that number one, it's just you have to change your relationship to your to all your emotions. And again, it's like you can you can coexist is that essentially, you know, so you can have like this pain and still be okay.

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And yes. Does that make sense? It does. It's something I tell people often is it's okay to be fearful, say I'm fearful and then do it anyway. It's okay. You know, you you take that fear right by the hand and you're like, Okay, you're with me, but we're going with this anyway, we're going to sit here together. And, you know, I'm going to be fearful. Yeah. Yeah. Because usually if you actually take that first step in with with breath work, you end up finding out if there's an actual story like behind the fear, which is usually the, the stored negative patterns of beliefs of either unworthiness.

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Or no support or anger. And once you start meeting those emote, I was thinking about your four perspectives for people who how you deal with cancer after, and including also the champions, the family members because it reminded me when I was listening to it, which I thought, by the way, Laura was a really beautiful podcast and it really resonated with me. I know I didn't have breast cancer, but I definitely experienced something with my family and my husband, that you know, I wasn't just a victim, you know, to, you know, your family becomes the victim. But regardless, all all of this are just all these emotions that I think breath work is just such a beautiful tool and a sustainable way a method to feel through these emotions and Just come out of it and heal through it.

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Yeah. And that's beautiful. I love that you speak repeatedly to the healing because I think that we need to help people have this shift between healing between understanding the difference of healing and then moving past something. Yes, right. If you have cancer, if you have whatever traumatic experience, and you get all the medical care you need, and it's done, you can continue to go on with life. Yeah, that have you really healed from that? Or do things keep popping up and you deal with them in different ways, whether it's unhealthy behaviors or withdrawing from people you love or whatever, whatever but there's something something emotional which I want you to speak to again, because you said emotions are energy plus motion, energy is emotion and they just need they just needed they need to move right like anxiety and stress and it

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Please speak to the fear again. Because why breath work? It's so hard, right? Because like, again, it's like you're so fearful. It's so hard to feel these emotions. You know, you don't you don't want to know You mean there's so I think of so many things about my past that I just buried right or resisted and I did a breath work experience not that long ago with a yoga instructor. And you know, they do yoga breathing, and they do this breath work journey, they had no idea and she said she had experienced something and it brought up something that she had forgotten about, like four years and it was something that you know, she really needed to work through and but I imagine that was holding her back from truly living her most authentic self per highest highest version of ourselves and that I think that is very

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Breath work is so beautiful is because through, through using this, this tool to get us past our feel fear, getting in touch with our emotions, changing our relationship with our emotions, transforming and healing. That is how we can always

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act and serve ourselves as our highest self. Yeah. And move and move for him and move forward. Right, which is one of the things that you had talked about, in your perspective. It's like how how do you move forward and you have to have the end in mind. And you have the end in mind? Well, I mean, it's hard if you don't want to feel but you.

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Yeah, and I think we can.

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Yeah, we get so programmed through our life because when something is sad, and you cry and people like Don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, right? If you're upset or you're sad, and people will see you

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Rather than sitting there and say, let's let's look at why you're sad, let's really feel what's making you sad and face it and discuss it. It's Come on, come on. Don't be sad. Let's go have a margarita. Come on. Right now. I know. Yes. Yeah. And so but what's harder, always resisting it always resisting. You know, that's just, I mean, it's so it's so much harder to constantly resist so much more work than to actually face the fear, feel. ruin it. And then what's on the other side of fear? You know, I mean, there's, there's so much more joy. Yes, yeah. So much more joy. And I know you talked about using breath work to living in and letting that flow of abundance coming into your life after cancer by trusting your body again by releasing those emotions. And yeah, and in I think that's the podcast you were talking about recently. I said, you know, are in what are the ones in January it's like you have to let go of what's clogging up your mind and your thoughts and your body.

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And your emotions and your life and your environment. You've got to clear space for the flow of good things. flow of abundance and the flow of good energy. And that's the same with with your thoughts. Yeah, there's just so many of us that are just addicted to the suffering addicted to the fear addicted to the numbing, addicted to the avoiding.

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There's just it's not necessary. You know, our bodies are not designed to hold on to these emotions and stored stored over time, all the cortisol and all the adrenaline and that just wreaks havoc in our body.

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I mean, there's just so many reasons why you'd want to look into healing. Absolutely. So what the this is a perfect step to the next question. What is the first step? How does someone who's listening right now go? I'm going to try this. Check this out. How did they start? breathwork we can start I do have a free

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Breath, work audio. The meditative journeys for actual healing are over 20 minutes. This is only 12 minutes of actual breathing, which just give them a introduction into a breath pattern, we have several breath patterns that we use. And this is just a more moderate version of what I would do for a longer, a longer breath work journey experience meditatively. So that is on my website you can do and then if they want to reach out out and every Sunday I do have a podcast where I do a breath work session, I call it Monday

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that you know, tail end of Sunday until Monday and it's just dealing with the same thing anxiety, it's, it's just dealing so I do short breath patterns, integrated breath patterns that it's the ticker breathers that you can just tap into for a quick emotional shift.

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More relaxation, more that mental clarity, that technique

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So again, I teach two techniques, the integrative and then the meditative. And they're just so beautiful. They're both so sustainable. And there's just so many benefits to it. And share with us the name of your podcast. My podcast is called the dream board, social club and Sundays I do the breath work. And then on Thursdays, I interview inspiring people with amazing stories like yourself, Laura, who are just in this world, as light workers just trying to spread more light and love. So awesome. Well, I'm going to post links to everything that you just talked about on the show notes for this episode as well. And I we have other great things coming in the future that we're not going to reveal. We'll leave a teaser here for everyone that's listening to look forward to more Tanya in the future of the breast cancer recovery coach, because get some good stuff coming. Oh, yes. It's so beautiful. So beautiful. Well, thank you so much for joining us here at

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Really, really appreciate the love this conversation. And I hope that a lot of people go to check out your offering for introducing themselves to breath work and then continue on with that because it is so important. I think it's so essential for everybody feeling living in a happier place. Self healers. Absolutely. Thank you so much for I really appreciate this. I hope I provided value to your listeners. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Wow. Do I think she added value? Yeah, I do. I think she brings value wherever she goes. And you know, I could talk with Tanya forever. She's fascinating. She's so passionate about breath work. And she's just seeing so much good come from it, the process that she had to go through to get certified in guiding people through these breath work sessions is super intense. I mean, it's incredible. And I really hope you take advantage of the offer that she put out there because I

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truly believe that having that experience with her is going to be just, it's, it's it'll change your mind. It'll help you understand the power of breath. And I believe that it's extremely healing. So I will post the links to everything we talked about in the show and to Tanya's offer into her website into her podcast in the show notes, which you can find at Laura Lummer, calm forward slash 73. So I thank you again for listening. And just one note before I go, if you haven't subscribed to the breast cancer recovery coach podcast, please take a second to do that. Now wherever you're listening. And if you could take an extra minute and give a review. That would be super special and wonderful, and I greatly greatly greatly appreciate it. Alright, well, thank you for listening. I will talk to you again next week. Bye for now.

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